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today on mosaic we're going to talk about science. and i guess the canon lawyer with the archdiocese of san francisco will have to speak for himself. are you insane? i'm working on its. that is kind of the hope of the charge that will all work towards holiness. the church has seats in which you think would be an opening good dialogue about sainthood canonization and what people it chosen to be saints what would be a good place to start? a since i've been around long before there were canonized an officially recognized by the church we are are called to
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holiness that's the fundamental part of the christian life and the church missing a value in making these people recognized and bring them to the christian faith as models and place before recess people commit called upon for intercession. the zero aspects of sainthood that we will get into. when we talk about canonization it is to be inscribed in the canons of the church. to be in the church for ever. there's a book called the roman martyrology the official book that has all of the lessons in the sense of the church and a summary of the lives and all have a day on which they are recognized and celebrated in the mass and also the liturgy of the hours.
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even today over celebrating the st. today? john the baptist is being celebrated his be heading he appears twice in the church calendar the first time is on his birthday in the second time today we recognize his be handing his martyrdom he is not because stink stephen the first murder but john the baptist is really murder even before him. of course as the process of canonization but there is an understanding perhaps the meth if you are murdered her automatically sent is that true you are in reality it go directly to have been and all those in heaven are saints were ordered for the faith. either of two types of martyrdom is murdered him for hatred of faith from the one who kills them hates the faith or sent for some virtue connected
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with the faith. so those murders certainly go straight to heaven but they're not always recognize runaway but many of them have been in time it's an exciting process and it begins but had they come up with this? as you say the murders in the early church christians for persecuted and the early era of the church and then it caused some teen edict of toleration of of christianity to practice up in the open there was a cult and mortars that built up and people began bothering these men and women that remark for the faith and began to build a shrine on their tombs so there is a great honor paid to them and great devotion to these murders and then eventually some church control that the ships
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needed to look at these people more carefully to see that they did in fact live the lives of holiness that their reputed to have lived. and later came greater intervention and a get a greater centralization of the process. has the pope always been the one to declare someone a saint? to say it's finished or does the process to that now with current process is the pope is the one the is the one that officially declare someone to be blessed or sink. he has a whole congregation rome that works on this the bishops and cardinals and a depressed workers who do the investigation in rome but also local investigation that looks into the life of the individual interviewing people and knew the person so happens that multiple levels but there wasn't always
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centralization of the process until before the 1600's and before that happened on a more local level. no or going to take a break but let's talk the three stages turn first to get introduced at some point declared venerable. and then there's that miracle europe declared blessed and another miracle your canonist so let's talk about all the stages coming up on mosaic.
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welcome back to the we're talking about saints and we're here with robbed a can and lawyer in canonist the archdiocese of san francisco
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another interesting story with of to have you back on to talk about that of a different time. the church has a process called canonization where at appoint someone who was the degree of whole life is declared a saint and inscribed in the rules the canons of the church. so how does that begin somebody has to pick up the ball and to it. someone has first of all the person has to be dead it doesn't take place until after the person has died. but there must be a reputation of holiness and the consensus among those that knew the person that this person lived a very devout life a very holy life and the life of whore like virtue but someone has to push the cause a could sometimes be a religious order if an individual does cause was about religious brother or sister or could beat
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the diocese of bishop could push across if it was someone in his diocese. and it could be another organization as well. is not an easy thing to begin if to compile volumes of volumes and contemporary people whose causes for sainthood serbian bombload the archbishop is one of them and that u.s. declared venerable and said that there are volumes and volumes that they had to acquire about his life and the king said he did. a lot of interviews that had to be done of people that we're living in new him but also a lot written about him as well. and the review of his own riding to swell to find out what the quality of those were whether there was anything in them to a parole problem data bank or post we'll have human frailties it wouldn't necessarily mean the frailties the tramway but it if you was found to be opposed to
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the church something that person if they could go up the chain. which is what to cover this briefly if we can't with a lot of stuff we want to talk about. the next step after being declared venerable and that takes a while they look at you very carefully. and then there's a miracle so how does that happen to you have a lot of people that begin praying for you or to you or how is that resource to critic comes back to the reputation of the holiness of the reputation often times they prey to the intercession of the saint as we say the catholic faith asking
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this person who he believes in heaven to interesting for us with god to seek god's grace and a life sometimes could be in very dire circumstances someone could have a great bonus from which they're killed miraculously and that would be investigated very carefully by doctors and doing many interviews and there's no scientific explanation in the end it could be decided or concluded to be a miracle and the miracle of course required in order to call them blessed and in the second miracle would be required to ultimately canonize the person to take on the name st.. other a lot of people the state in blessed that to make a distinct there are some cases the ticket stuck in the early stages we want to talk about the meeting st. and the senate continues into your life and talking to people is that like
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tapping got on the shoulder and asking him to step been sort of in the catholic faith we believe everyone in heaven is a sink with a year canonized and not and they are in god's favor and their close to god being in heaven of course that doesn't preclude any when you're on earth from brain directly to god asking for god's grace and mercy directly also plan for the intercession of the virgin mary but also of the saints as well and we believe it benefits us in addition to communicating directly with god. you say there's a book the last addition which was printed by the congregation for divine worship and the discipline of sacraments was printed in 2001 and as of that
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time there were 6538 lessons and scenes and i guess venerable as as well and observed for masses since they're must be like a lot of sense sharing days. greatcoat yes that's true and not of the more recognized universally around the world and the trick is calendar some a purely on local calendars may be a calendar for a particular diocese or four particular that lose a religious order. will be back talking about since i wish you could call in.
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welcome back. today we are talking about since the the man that knows about sainthood and canon law and the catholic church. he is a canon lawyer. whether felix to think about it asking about a favorite saint. are talking that since talking about the process they are declared venerable pluses and the pope declared missing cannot and there are some people that never made it the role of the steps and is alone process and people that want to be a saint half to do a lot of work for you to get there. and winter declared a saint
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they're relics now tell us about those. relics are various classe'' the first-class record actual body parts the bone hair things like that and believe it and not these things are-treated to churches and held in reliquaries which are things to display them the church maintains there should be a superstition about it is no magic involved with rolex but it is a reminder of the st. and the virtues that here she lived in his life and it's a way of being physically closer to what was once the body of the state for greater devotion and also second-class relics and third class relics which thinks the state may have used other things with a man attached so people hold these things close as well as sort of
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a clear connection to the sense of their devoted to. in earlier times an opportunity to be close to the cause of st. john neumann bishop in philadelphia and a very holy man is by delays in the post today in the church on toward avenue. but anyway that said we had a friend in the family who was near death and someone came employes relics on the person open for the intercession. i think what they're telling us which is a beautiful thing is that these are substantial acts of the faith. this is not magical superstition these are watched over popular ascertained that as best we can plan to limit the available as models and as
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people who we can live a life after. gathering the relaxes and they're something that has to be done on the body is exhume? that's right as the time of course when the relics are created and disseminated to important churches it cannot be sold off and there were times in church history or there were abuses with that of the church was crew that they cannot be sold the committee passed a law and transferred but not strictly for sale. they have a relic st. jude is actually christ's cousin and
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i have i'm talking about two dozen years ago and they actually have a relic of part of the arm from st. jude rich is remarkable. we're talking about the rollicks and what if i know assemblyperson used a close to the person the personal ruboff on you. that's a good person to keep company with its the opposite of what our parents tellus of what bad company is. and ultimately in terms of declaring a person a sinter any of this process this doesn't happen until after death. what is the communion of saints. the commencing this is the great union that all the faithful have upper with those scenes in heaven and we have a tremendous spiritual connection with them and we catholics
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believe that we're all part of the body of christ the make up one said this plays into the theology of intercession and calling upon the states for their assistance in had been because we are connected to them by the spawned the spiritual bond. are my favorite sayings that every sink has a pass and every sinner as a future so since don't all come from being great people of their lives. there are some people even the st. paul story has some tales of that. st. paul and st. a gust of hippo. of which is celebrated him yesterday and this month of the day before that. will be back after the break.
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welcome back. we're here with the canon lawyer talking about sainthood becoming distinctly and are all saints catholic. to be canonized saint you do have to be catholic and as i said before everyone in heaven is a sink and meet don't presume the only catholics are in heaven so non catholics to live lives of great and great lives of devotion to god so in the loose sense of the term st. everybody could be a saint if you want to take the strict definition of the canonized saint on the catholics. of the church asks when a child was baptized a boy or girl have a sense name is that still
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something confirmation names and catholics are confirmed to take the name presumably of the same. christian names should be taken up the time of baptism and confirmation that christian and the name of the state or lease the name that's not completely foreign to christian sensibilities and often times if people separate naming them of the st. they might stick with that which was my case. my baptismal and confirmation domestic with my name robert. course was to go and find what sinks were named after several i went home and my father said he'd go back a toaster that and not named after any save your named after me so i took that back and i've been telling that story for 50 years. angels are not being spent
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recall michael the archangel a synched greta van of human beings their spiritual beans which to call him since. in the beginning of time according to catholic theology the angels all made a fundamental choice either to be obedient to god or rebellious of god and the sewer obedient state and have been answered, and we consider them to be the holy angels in heaven and the son or rebellious with the demons of help. so in that sense those are in heaven main making the fundamental trends for got our holy angels and the ruling comes from some of tears which is related to the word same. he kicked it away from the church has brand items that everybody knows about sinks among them but what about brand name since like joseph infant addicting john the baptist.
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and st. patrick court how people become grant sings like that. in the case of st. joseph i think it's fairly obvious to is the foster father of jesus the church holds about the very highest regard among the saints and others international since like st. patrick the patron of ireland and in the irish of spread out to north america and populated that ireland itself. were about st. joseph statues. upside-down in your yard when you sell your house. but what about that? i don't see a problem with it goes back to when i said
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before that we have to be careful about the idea of superstition but there's nothing superstitious and itself of various statutes that joseph up to down provided that you are as a home seller really calling upon the help of the assistance of st. joseph. i also agree christian assistance my neighbor landscaper camel one day surprise to find my entire record redone. just a wonderful beautiful woman and the statute also that care with your favorite saint? would have to go with my name saint robert bevan a doctor of the church and he should be sent in to st. thomas and reclaiming and mortar a martyr and a lawyer. there are tons of ways to learn more about the safety could start for free by going online
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with many catholic web site set of catalogs of since descriptions of them and tons of books out there. thanks for joining us it's been a great time we hope we're glad that you tune in because i know we are.
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